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PostSubject: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 2:07 pm

Remember when you were a kid and Woolworths sold those cheap and nasty knock off figures with very limited articulation.  You know, the ones that all of us Action Man fans quite rightly turned our noses up at?  

Well why would today's kids with a massive range of much better,  more fully articulated figures available, go for this?  

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 2:29 pm

Around the late 60’s I had one of these for Christmas.
Very similar to these new “kiddy” ones

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Tbh honest I was gutted, I didn’t have any Vam of my own.

Not sure what will happen when these finally get on the shelf. I don’t think it will work but that’s just my non child opinion!

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 2:52 pm

Exactly. Even some of the cheap knock-off figures, when I was a kid, had joints at the elbows and knees.
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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 3:07 pm

Sparklebudgie wrote:
Around the late 60’s I had one of these for Christmas.

Not sure what will happen when these finally get on the shelf. I don’t think it will work but that’s just my non child opinion!

I'll make a prediction. I think they'll turn up at a fiver in TK Maxx within a few months. Why would any of today's kids go for these? Firstly, the play value is extremely limited by the six (count 'em) points of articulation and lack of equipment.

Secondly, the military toy market was something of our era, with a generation brought up on ripping WWW2 yarns on TV and in the cinema in and in The Hotspur, The Eagle and The Valiant comics as well as those pocket sized Commando comics.

Today's kids are primarily interested in science fiction and superhero toys (if you can prise them away from their games consoles).

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 3:07 pm

I have to agree, these figures are awful Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 3:13 pm

I don't think I would be interested at a fiver each. Why make the uniforms a different size to other ACTION MAN models? something wrong somewhere Mad Mad Mad

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 3:16 pm

The company concerned should have grasped the nettle and aimed their new product at the adult collector. If that wasn't financially viable, then they shouldn't have bothered. Failure of this range can only damage the Action Man brand and put off any future manufacturers from attempting any sort of revival.

I think too many fans of our age group who were involved with this project, were looking at this entire endeavour through rose tinted glasses, imagining hordes of kids rushing to embrace dad's/grandad's favourite childhood toy, while totally ignoring the realities of today's toy market and the changed tastes of children.

This is just a sampling of the competition...

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 3:19 pm

Spot the difference.

Why, over half a century later is the product so grossly inferior?

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 3:24 pm

They are an abomination.....not fit to carry the AM name. And I'm fed up with crappy excuses about them being for a younger market. Kids aren't dumb...back in the day we would have known that these were crap and the kids today are much more clued up.

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 3:49 pm

Reddragon wrote:
I don't think I would be interested at a fiver each. Why make the uniforms a different size to other ACTION MAN models? something wrong somewhere Mad Mad Mad

I didn't realise the uniforms didn't fit the classic AM body. Not that I'd want the uniforms, but this is just another example of the manufacturers shooting themselves in the foot.
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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 4:23 pm

I promised myself that I'd just ignore these budget figures and not comment on them but every time I see them they irritate me more!

the_pauley wrote:

I think too many fans of our age group who were involved with this project,  were looking at this entire endeavour through rose tinted glasses, imagining hordes of kids rushing to embrace dad's/grandad's favourite childhood toy, while totally ignoring the realities of today's toy market and the changed tastes of children.  

A&S' answer to this is...
'They are aimed to wrestle ground from the superhero £15 - no articulation - figures at the 4-6 year olds market. This still is a lucrative healthy market and makes perfect sense to any businessman to tap into it.'

Makes perfect sense apparently! Rolling Eyes what with no movie tie-in or interest in the military within the target customer group?

It probably also made perfect sense to have T-rex arms so the uniforms can't even be used on VAM as well! lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 4:48 pm

Anyone remember these cheapo figures from Argos?

More articulation.
Starting price was £19.99 if I remember correctly then discounted down to £9.99 they may have gone lower but grey matter struggling tonight. I’m thinking I paid £4.99 for the last few!
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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 4:50 pm

Yup...i bought a few boxes. A fiver for 4 figures with good articulation unis and equipment.

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 4:56 pm

somekindajoe wrote:
I promised myself that I'd just ignore these budget figures and not comment on them but every time I see them they irritate me more!

A&S' answer to this is...
'They are aimed to wrestle ground from the superhero £15 - no articulation - figures at the 4-6 year olds market. This still is a lucrative healthy market and makes perfect sense to any businessman to tap into it.'


A&S are deluded if they think this. Star Wars, Marvel and DC action figures are tie ins to multi-million dollar movie/media franchises with their attendant omnipresent marketing campaigns and as such are instantly recognisable to (and desirable for) children.

When my friends bring their children round to see my Action Man collection, there is a mild, momentary curiosity, usually accompanied by "What are they supposed to be?"

Whereas with these two chaps (below) I have to fight to keep their prying grubby little paws off them.

Despite being from exactly the same era as Action Man (1966), they are immediately recognisable, and the appeal is completely different and still exists for today's children.

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 5:02 pm

Great figures! Those classic Batman & Robin figures that is! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 5:04 pm

Rogue-Trooper wrote:
Yup...i bought a few boxes. A fiver for 4 figures with good articulation unis and equipment.

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Those uniforms are far superior to these new cheapo (there's the rub!) Action Man uniforms.

For starters they have actual realistic looking pockets as opposed to the new Action Man figures with their cheap outline stitching to represent pockets. Why did they even bother with the expense of stitching? They could have just drawn the pockets on with a felt tip pen!
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Blondeactionman wrote:
Great figures! Those classic Batman & Robin figures that is! cheers

They are, but they cause endless grief for my friends with their kids' "DADDY! I WANT! I WANT!".

Firstly they are horrified when I tell them what they cost, but this is followed by an immediate wave of relief when I tell them that they are long since sold out and are hard to come by.
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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 5:20 pm

the_pauley wrote:
Blondeactionman wrote:
Great figures! Those classic Batman & Robin figures that is! cheers

They are, but they cause endless grief for my friends with their kids' "DADDY!  I WANT!  I WANT!".  

Firstly they are horrified when I tell them what they cost, but this is followed by an immediate wave of relief when I tell them that they are long since sold out and are hard to come by.

lol! lol! lol! I know that feeling! I have quite a few Hot Toys figures myself cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 5:27 pm

Chad Valley figures head 1/6 scale head sculpts are just fabulous but they hands are way to stiff for my liking so I pop both hands into hot water to soften so they can hold their guns.

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 5:29 pm

We're all gonna get banned from HQ lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 5:37 pm

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We're all gonna get banned from HQ lol!

AMMO is a far better place anyway Wink.

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 7:08 pm

It gets worse. apparently much of the kit has been sourced from existing 'Worldpeacekeepers' equipment. The main difference being that the World Peacekeepers' series has far superior fabric uniforms and figures with 30 points of articulation.

So, essentially, Action Man, the original action figure that inspired a thousand 'knock-offs' has now been reduced to the status of an inferior 'knock-off' Well done A&S! Sad 

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 7:44 pm

It gets worse.  apparently much of the kit has been sourced from existing 'Worldpeacekeepers' equipment.   The main difference being that the World Peacekeepers' series has far superior fabric uniforms and figures with 30 points of articulation.

So, essentially, Action Man, the original action figure that inspired  a thousand 'knock-offs' has now been reduced to the status of an inferior 'knock-off'   Well done A&S!  Sad 

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Progress, anyone? Icon_minitimeTue Nov 06, 2018 9:01 pm

Sparklebudgie wrote:
Not that expensive either.....

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Military-Combat-Desert-Soldier-Action/dp/B019MLC3XY/ref=pd_sbs_21_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B019MLC3XY&pd_rd_r=617f5ed5-e1fe-11e8-a7a0-3b70a1ed8668&pd_rd_w=1pTez&pd_rd_wg=s29O7&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_p=18edf98b-139a-41ee-bb40-d725dd59d1d3&pf_rd_r=BKEDBV00812D4V4KZWGS&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=BKEDBV00812D4V4KZWGS

These Special Forces guys are a real bargin-IMO - loads of equipment, good uni's and even a source of hands ( 3 sets per figure !)
They along with the Chad Valley guys have contributed to the Munrovian Uniformity project Very Happy Very Happy

I'm taking the long view on the knock off's - if it helps me get some "cheap kit" ( for . £5 of course in the bargain bin lol! Especially now Mrs G has found my Paypal acount history !! Shocked Shocked lol! ) I'm sure I can -make do and mend - how about short sleeve look ala the old VAM UN uni ?

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