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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:16 pm

Nice Batman & Robin! cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:39 am

It's "One Giant Step On VAMkind!" if you ask me!


Interesting post @ the_pauley,

The recent Chad Valley figures are much better than this latest so called Action Man offering. The Action Man brand name should not of been used on this Rotten Tomato! For any Chad Valley fans on here, the 1/6 scale Chads go back a long way and are not something new, because on my travels in the recent past I have come across what I deem to be vintage carded uniform sets from Chad Valley (1980's?) and if I can remember correctly: a vehicle too, and pretty nice it is, so look out for them on ebay and at the toy fairs, they are quite rare to find..  It's not Action Man at all in my eyes... Just give me the funding and I will reproduce an Action Man figure exactly like it was back in the day.

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:14 pm

Rob has just rather unceremoniously shut down the thread I started on UAMHQ on this subject, where the vast majority of members had similar opinions to myself about this range.

So, it's censorship of perfectly politely expressed opinion now.   Sad!
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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:37 pm

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Rob has just rather unceremoniously shut down the thread I started on UAMHQ on this subject, where the vast majority of members had similar opinions to myself about this range.

So, it's censorship of perfectly politely expressed opinion now.   Sad!


I guess that is his choice, I asked several questions of the range and was completely ignored. I think sticking his head in the ground and ignoring criticism is the official line. Rest assured, Nether my mods, admin or I will remove this thread. Everyones opinion is valied.

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:40 pm

SCratch that previous post. Rob, good egg that he is, has agreed to re-open the thread.
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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:47 pm

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SCratch that previous post.  Rob, good egg that he is, has agreed to re-open the thread.

do you want me to remove the last two posts?

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:54 pm

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SCratch that previous post.  Rob, good egg that he is, has agreed to re-open the thread.

But he shouldn’t have closed it it the first place Evil or Very Mad

I’ve asked many questions that have been dodged, head in the sand approach seems about right Dal.

I first posted when I found the picture released in France and posted to warn him about what I thought was a knock off figure (how ironic was that?)

I wasn’t happy that he changed the thread title from “50th Knock off” to “post 50th-New 2018 Budget Range” without asking me.

I think Rob is too close to A&S to listen to any negative comments.

#justsayin lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:56 pm

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the_pauley wrote:
SCratch that previous post.  Rob, good egg that he is, has agreed to re-open the thread.

do you want me to remove the last two posts?

No. Let them stand. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:01 pm

the_pauley wrote:
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the_pauley wrote:
SCratch that previous post.  Rob, good egg that he is, has agreed to re-open the thread.

do you want me to remove the last two posts?

No.  Let them stand.  Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:57 pm

Sneek preview of the 50th collectors series




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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:03 pm

Shocked Shocked Shocked

Poor guy has no feet...

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:09 pm

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Shocked Shocked Shocked

Poor guy has no feet...

Easier for the kiddies to get the boots on!

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:16 pm

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inntruderr61 wrote:
Shocked Shocked Shocked

Poor guy has no feet...

Easier for the kiddies to get the boots on!

lol!  You could get a job at A&S being able to dream up lame excuses like that Brian! cheers

I see the superhero versions are in the shops for xmas!


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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:25 pm

pmsl! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:34 pm

You guys are sooooo bad!!! Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad Twisted Evil

lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!


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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:44 pm

There were plans for a kiddy pocket sized action man





It was scrapped though as it had way too much articulation, kiddies don’t want that!  affraid






I’ll stop now lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:53 pm

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:25 pm

Sparklebudgie wrote:
There were plans for a kiddy pocket sized action man





It was scrapped though as it had way too much articulation, kiddies don’t want that!  affraid






I’ll stop now lol!



lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!

Funko Pops, you could be on to something...

lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:01 pm

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Everyones opinion is valied.
Sparklebudgie wrote:
I think Rob is too close to A&S to listen to any negative comments.
the_pauley wrote:
So, it's censorship of perfectly politely expressed opinion now.   Sad!

Okay, Dal, I've known you long enough to know that you're a man of your word -- I'll express my opinion.

I have no connection to A&S, but I have found many comments about these figures to be anything but politely expressed.  I would describe the comments as hostile.  From where I'm sitting I cannot understand why 3 friends who I've known to be even keeled are so vociferously negative about an attempt to keep Action Man alive. To the point that pictures of Mego figures and blow molded uniform dummies with Action Man heads are posted?  

It's been established that these figures are not aimed at collectors so why are so many of my fellow collectors so vehemently opposed to a project to the point of making predictions (which sound almost like wishful thinking) that the line will fail?  If it does fail it won't hurt the brand any more than Hasbro's mishandling already has.  If it is successful it may motivate A&S to invest resources to do something bigger.

We have every right to be discouraged that our favourite toy has been so sorely neglected and I'm as discouraged as you.  What really has me discouraged, though, is some of the things I've seen written on the forums: what I perceive to be insensitive comments about Lui and Rob and how they are "in on it" and even accusations that somehow A&S is trying to pull a fast one over the U.K. Consumer Laws by claiming that the figure is manufactured by A&S but really is made in China.  It's my opinion that these are disrespectful and hurtful to people I call friends.

The reproduction side of the hobby seems to be winding down.  Maybe Rob is backing the wrong horse when it comes to his support of A&S.  Rob has put a lot of effort into supporting our hobby, and has put a lot of effort into providing a place for us to gather.  I'll even say that this wonderful forum called AMMO is here in part due to Rob's efforts.  I'm of the opinion that posting figures with Action Man heads has crossed the line from perfectly polite opinion to disrespect.  

I choose to hope that putting these basic figures in a child's hands may help the hobby.  If I was of the opposite opinion I would say nothing out of respect for Rob and vote with my wallet.
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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:42 pm

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Blondeactionman wrote:
Everyones opinion is valied.
Sparklebudgie wrote:
I think Rob is too close to A&S to listen to any negative comments.
the_pauley wrote:
So, it's censorship of perfectly politely expressed opinion now.   Sad!

Okay, Dal, I've known you long enough to know that you're a man of your word -- I'll express my opinion.

I have no connection to A&S, but I have found many comments about these figures to be anything but politely expressed.  I would describe the comments as hostile.  From where I'm sitting I cannot understand why 3 friends who I've known to be even keeled are so vociferously negative about an attempt to keep Action Man alive. To the point that pictures of Mego figures and blow molded uniform dummies with Action Man heads are posted?  

It's been established that these figures are not aimed at collectors so why are so many of my fellow collectors so vehemently opposed to a project to the point of making predictions (which sound almost like wishful thinking) that the line will fail?  If it does fail it won't hurt the brand any more than Hasbro's mishandling already has.  If it is successful it may motivate A&S to invest resources to do something bigger.

We have every right to be discouraged that our favourite toy has been so sorely neglected and I'm as discouraged as you.  What really has me discouraged, though, is some of the things I've seen written on the forums: what I perceive to be insensitive comments about Lui and Rob and how they are "in on it" and even accusations that somehow A&S is trying to pull a fast one over the U.K. Consumer Laws by claiming that the figure is manufactured by A&S but really is made in China.  It's my opinion that these are disrespectful and hurtful to people I call friends.

The reproduction side of the hobby seems to be winding down.  Maybe Rob is backing the wrong horse when it comes to his support of A&S.  Rob has put a lot of effort into supporting our hobby, and has put a lot of effort into providing a place for us to gather.  I'll even say that this wonderful forum called AMMO is here in part due to Rob's efforts.  I'm of the opinion that posting figures with Action Man heads has crossed the line from perfectly polite opinion to disrespect.  

I choose to hope that putting these basic figures in a child's hands may help the hobby.  If I was of the opposite opinion I would say nothing out of respect for Rob and vote with my wallet.

You make lots of great points Doug, and yes we have known each other for a long time. I cannot speak for all comments made across the forums, or even fb as I only really frequent ammo, with the occasional visit to HQ. so I only really see what is being posted here. I did try and ask questions about the new range when the images first appeared, but sadly I was ignored, again when I questioned about the Bobby Moore figure being old stock on HQ I was ignored until I asked openly on fb, only to asked "If I was okay?" a strange way to answer a simple question. After this incident, I washed my hands of the whole 50th kiddies range affair. So as far as I am concerned, I really don't care if it succeeds or fails.

However, that is not to say, that if a particularly nasty post showed up, it wouldn't be removed without hesitation. I have known Rob for sometime, and I do respect what he has done for the hobby, However, I must point out, Rob has never or doesn't have any connection in the creation or running of AMMO. It was set up by Danthecoat, Sgt_Elias and myself.

What has to be considered here is there are always two sides to everything and not everyone is going to like what is being produced. I like to think that AMMO is still a place where all sides can be heard clearly without being shot down or edited, as long as it doesn't get personal, or too nasty. In my opinion, I saw the pics of sparkles as a bit of fun, I honestly don't believe they were posted in an attempt to be nasty? but that is just my opinion.

Again, I have not found any of Pauley's comments to be offensive posted in this thread, he has just expressed his frustration at the disappointing figure that has been released? Again, I cannot speak of attacks on Rob or Lui, as they have not appeared here? So if these comments have appeared on another forum or Fb, then it is the responsibility of said forum or fb page to police or remove them? I am only responsible for what goes on here.

In the big picture, I hope anything new that comes out will be original and a success as deep down we all want to see the am range to succeed and that is why feelings get heated on both sides. So although I do respect your opinion Doug, I have to respect others opinions too.

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:33 am

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I have known Rob for sometime, and I do respect what he has done for the hobby, However, I must point out, Rob has never or doesn't have any connection in the creation or running of AMMO. It was set up by Danthecoat, Sgt_Elias and myself....

In the big picture, I hope anything new that comes out will be original and a success as deep down we all want to see the am range to succeed and that is why feelings get heated on both sides. So although I do respect your opinion Doug, I have to respect others opinions too.

Thanks, Dal.

It wasn't my intent to have anybody infer that Rob had a hand in setting up AMMO, I know he didn't, but the effort that he put into building a community over at the UAMHQ showed that there was a healthy collecting community that could support other venues for discussion. I'm sure we can agree on that.

I acknowledge that there can be other opinions in this community, that's part of the hobby. And I acknowledge that I am probably one of the more opinionated. After all, I was banned from a certain forum for rather bluntly expressing my opinion in a PM at the UAMHQ to a moderator from that forum. I took exception to comments he made about collectors of 40th and MAM figures. Mea Culpa.

We all have opinions, and we should feel free to express them, but they shouldn't prevent us from showing some consideration to our forum mates, even if we feel they're wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:14 am

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I have known Rob for sometime, and I do respect what he has done for the hobby, However, I must point out, Rob has never or doesn't have any connection in the creation or running of AMMO. It was set up by Danthecoat, Sgt_Elias and myself....

In the big picture, I hope anything new that comes out will be original and a success as deep down we all want to see the am range to succeed and that is why feelings get heated on both sides. So although I do respect your opinion Doug, I have to respect others opinions too.

Thanks, Dal.  

It wasn't my intent to have anybody infer that Rob had a hand in setting up AMMO, I know he didn't, but the effort that he put into building a community over at the UAMHQ showed that there was a healthy collecting community that could support other venues for discussion.  I'm sure we can agree on that.

I acknowledge that there can be other opinions in this community, that's part of the hobby.  And I acknowledge that I am probably one of the more opinionated.  After all, I was banned from a certain forum for rather bluntly expressing my opinion in a PM at the UAMHQ to a moderator from that forum.  I took exception to comments he made about collectors of 40th and MAM figures.  Mea Culpa.

We all have opinions, and we should feel free to express them, but they shouldn't prevent us from showing some consideration to our forum mates, even if we feel they're wrong.

Hi Doug, yes I remember you telling me, I know the feeling too as you know I was removed too. For me now, I don't give it a second thought. Looking back though, if I hadn't been banned 'AMMO' would never have been born, a place for all figures Very Happy .

I again agree 100% about Rob, he has and does work extremely hard to help promote things within our hobby and uamhq is a great place. The main problem within our hobby is division, everyone collects differently. For some its all about 100% vintage, and i must admit I do admire their collections, its takes real dedication to stick with that. Others are happy to collect 40th or modern action man, and again, in my eyes there is nothing wrong with that either, everyone's collection is as unique as they are Very Happy . Then there are others like myself, who had mixed figures growing up, and i believe that is why my collection contains different figures as an adult.

I do think the main problem here is change to the little chap we all now and love, it was always going to bring disagreement and passion, even with it being aimed at a younger market with tighter safety guidelines. I wish that instead of going down the kiddies range route, they could have produced uniforms for adult collecters, I mean there must still be loads of naked Action Man/Joe figures knocking about, I really think that would have been a winner cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:20 pm

Doug, my main concern with this new range and its almost inevitable failure, is that it may prevent any future licencees attempting an Action Man revival, or indeed a repro/reissue project like the marvellous 40th enterprise.
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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:48 pm

Doug, this is not an Action Man figure it’s a Ken doll with a nice Action Man Head sculpt.

Quote from Rob

“Totally right we all entitled to an opinion and I hold no grudge against anyone voicing them. I welcome them, but frustrates when they don’t appear to take account of the complexities envolved (I don’t pretend to know them all but I respect there are a good few).“

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PostSubject: Re: Progress, anyone?   Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:52 pm

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Doug, my main concern with this new range and its almost inevitable failure, is that it may prevent any future licencees attempting an Action Man revival, or indeed a repro/reissue project like the marvellous 40th enterprise.

Jim, one doesn't need a crystal ball to know this won't affect future prospects one bit.  Licensing equals free money to Hasbro.  They'll grant licenses to anybody who wants to give them money.  You want to make Action man pillows, table cloths, Christmas decorations -- even Ken style dolls with the iconic ScarHead?  Pay your money and take your chance.

Sparklebudgie wrote:
Doug, this is not an Action Man figure it’s a Ken doll with a nice Action Man Head sculpt.

You're right, Brian, but we aren't forced to buy it.  If we want some good modern Action Man style figures we have HobbyCrash and Cotswold Collectibles.  This project will not negatively affect our hobby in the slightest, but it could provide a benefit.  

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I wish that instead of going down the kiddies range route, they could have produced uniforms for adult collecters, I mean there must still be loads of naked Action Man/Joe figures knocking about, I really think that would have been a winner

I've said the same thing, Dal.  However, vintage style uniforms don't need a license from Hasbro, it's only the brand name and the ScarHead sculpt that need to be licensed.  We've seen how successful Cotswold Collectibles has been with that.  A&S has chosen to go down the path they're on.  No matter what any of us think, people will vote with their wallets.  

We've all known each other for years.  Opinions on whether this project flies or fails shouldn't be a source of divisiveness.  We should all buy into that.
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