Did the early GI Joes have yellow painted lips and soft heads ?

Hi I've just recently picked up an old GI Joe and was a bit woried when he arrived from the bay as he looks old but has yellow painted lips was this an original colour?? anyone have any Ideas ???

hi hawkeye , this is from a chemical re-action of the paint and the joe head mainly found on very early joe's , the discolouration can rage from green,through to yellow and even white, it doesn't just affect the lips as some blonde haired fellas hair can also be a shade of green ,this is a reaction that happens over time and seems that you may have picked up a very early joe , Well done ,what condition is he in apart from the yellowed lips ? does he stand well ?any cracks etc ?any pictures ?

Cheers Jay I was a bit confused because this was the first old Joe I've had with the yellowlips my new Joes have the yellow tinge here's some pics of my new guy, He's a butt marked
GI JOE T.M.
COPYRIGHT 1964
BY HASBRO R
PATENT PENDING
MADE IN USA









and here he is amongst the winter Jasmine to match his yellow lips, now thats taking camo a bit far

deffo old joe great score he looks brilliant

snow white wrote:

deffo old joe great score he looks brilliant

Cheers Gary he has a few big splits on his legs and arms just like you get on the repro Joes so I wasn't sure that he wasn't a Frankensteins creation

These old Joes have bags of character. A great score Ian!

hawkeye are you intending to repaint his head or leave it the way he is

he looks the business mate! nice pick up

somekindajoe wrote:

These old Joes have bags of character. A great score Ian!

Cheers Steve he definately looks great and the Lemon lips are growing on me

blueboxier wrote:

hawkeye are you intending to repaint his head or leave it the way he is

Hi Jim I like to keep the old Joes how they get to me "Battle scars an all" so I wont be painting the head he'll stay with a touch of Alopecia he looks alright with hid Beret on

Blondeactionman wrote:

he looks the business mate! nice pick up

Cheers Dal he's a bit more battle scared than my other Joes but has a great look about him

Very nice Ian!

I left all my childhood Joes & my entire collection I acquired alone.
Except I did turn a Man of Action into Santa Claus...

inntruderr61 wrote:

Very nice Ian!

I left all my childhood Joes & my entire collection I acquired alone.
Except I did turn a Man of Action into Santa Claus...  

I suspect that was a only seasonal thing tho or is he an all year round 'Santa Man of Action' Ho ho ho

Hawkeye wrote:

inntruderr61 wrote:

Very nice Ian!

I left all my childhood Joes & my entire collection I acquired alone.
Except I did turn a Man of Action into Santa Claus...  

I suspect that was a only seasonal thing tho or is he an all year round 'Santa Man of Action' Ho ho ho

Lets see I glued a white beard to his face so I'd say he's a year round
Man of Action Santa Claus now Ian...

Hawkeye wrote:

Cheers Jay I was a bit confused because this was the first old Joe I've had with the yellowlips my new Joes have the yellow tinge here's some pics of my new guy, He's a butt marked
GI JOE T.M.
COPYRIGHT 1964
BY HASBRO R
PATENT PENDING
MADE IN USA

The ™ butt SpongeHeads were the first mass produced run of the G.I. Joe line. There were earlier butt versions -- smooth or etched -- but they were produced in very limited numbers.     

The early heads that didn't have the right amount of plasticizer shrank and became PinHeads.  Lots of folks like to have at least 1 SpongeHead in their collection, and some guys say you should have at least 1 PinHead too.  The SpongeHeads come in all degrees of softness/hardness and some even closely resemble the HardHead.

The 1965 HardHead ®(the one that came on the first VAM) was the 2nd version of the G.I. Joe head and came from the factory hard.  This head has remained the same over the years, although I've seen a couple of cases where the HardHead seems to have shrank a bit.

inntruderr61 wrote:

Hawkeye wrote:

inntruderr61 wrote:

Very nice Ian!

I left all my childhood Joes & my entire collection I acquired alone.
Except I did turn a Man of Action into Santa Claus...  

I suspect that was a only seasonal thing tho or is he an all year round 'Santa Man of Action' Ho ho ho

Lets see I glued a white beard to his face so I'd say he's a year round
Man of Action Santa Claus now Ian...

HoHoHo

Joe90 wrote:

Hawkeye wrote:

Cheers Jay I was a bit confused because this was the first old Joe I've had with the yellowlips my new Joes have the yellow tinge here's some pics of my new guy, He's a butt marked
GI JOE T.M.
COPYRIGHT 1964
BY HASBRO R
PATENT PENDING
MADE IN USA

The butt SpongeHeads were the first mass produced run of the G.I. Joe line. There were earlier butt versions -- smooth or etched -- but they were produced in very limited numbers.     

The early heads that didn't have the right amount of plasticizer shrank and became PinHeads.  Lots of folks like to have at least 1 SpongeHead in their collection, and some guys say you should have at least 1 PinHead too.  The SpongeHeads come in all degrees of softness/hardness and some even closely resemble the HardHead.

The 1965 HardHead (the one that came on the first VAM) was the 2nd version of the G.I. Joe head and came from the factory hard.  This head has remained the same over the years, although I've seen a couple of cases where the HardHead seems to have shrank a bit.

Thanks Doug he's definately got a soft head I will take a few pics later of him unclothed to show the full Joe with cracks and all

Here's a few X Rated shots of my new Joe, just for the Hmmm experts to look at



He's a bit embarressed with this photo shoot but a bit of fruit saves the day





Here's his butt stamp and for the short sited amoungst us heres a close up below



Oops shocking



He's now having the crack Literally



Now he's thrown caution to the wind



And a bit of a Jacko moonwalk



And then some Elvis the Pelvis    





Now this is just showing off

Hawkeye These are some OUTSTANDING GI Joe nude shots, I'v ALWAYS WANTED TO DO MAM NUDE SHOTS, I'm like so jealous .

he looks great ive seen/had loads worse

Nice nudie shots.

Note the two different feet.  The smaller feet are the earlier versions.  By late 1964/early 1965 the larger foot was in standard production and so you'll see lots of figures with two different feet. He's got the early thicker hands, though.

Another thing you'll see along with the mismatched feet are notched shoulders and necks.  I don't see any on this figure.

The variations of notched shoulders and smaller (baby) feet are interesting from an Action Man perspective because some VAM collectors say that the larger feet were on the early VAM whilst the smaller feet came later.  I question that because all Canadian G.I. Joes used the smaller feet and many were sent over to the UK to help fill the demand.  As far as the slotted shoulders those were deemed obsolete by the end of 1964, so it's intriguing that they showed up in 1967 on the free figures given out by Palitoy for the star mail away scheme.

ACKIE88 wrote:

Hawkeye These are some OUTSTANDING GI Joe nude shots, I'v ALWAYS WANTED TO DO MAM NUDE SHOTS, I'm like so jealous .

Alex glad you like this set, I put them up more to show off the Old Joe to see what the Joe experts could tell me about the authenticity, but I got carried away as usual so this was the end result

Joe90 wrote:

Nice nudie shots.

Note the two different feet.  The smaller feet are the earlier versions.  By late 1964/early 1965 the larger foot was in standard production and so you'll see lots of figures with two different feet.  He's got the early thicker hands, though.

Another thing you'll see along with the mismatched feet are notched shoulders and necks.  I don't see any on this figure.

The variations of notched shoulders and smaller (baby) feet are interesting from an Action Man perspective because some VAM collectors say that the larger feet were on the early VAM whilst the smaller feet came later.  I question that because all Canadian G.I. Joes used the smaller feet and many were sent over to the UK to help fill the demand.  As far as the slotted shoulders those were deemed obsolete by the end of 1964, so it's intriguing that they showed up in 1967 on the free figures given out by Palitoy for the star mail away scheme.

Nice spot Doug the feet are definately different but do look to be the same length from tip of toe to the heel, but the right foot has shorter toes when viewed from under the foot and the left foot has a more hollow front to the sole and individual toes, Thanks very much for all the info its much apreciated

Cheers Ian

snow white wrote:

he looks great ive seen/had loads worse

Cheers Gary I'm very pleased with him, he's got a key place in my Joe collection

My Wife Georgette has just given him a name, he's now called Vinny Castro and is from Little Italy the Bronx region of New York